"To those critics who are complaining that the movie and the book are fan service (just for fans) … Well whom they should make the movie and write the book for?! The non fans who don’t appreciate the history and the characters and DIDN’T EVEN watch the TV show?!"
Boom, roasted. Now, that’s what I’m talkin’ about. So much agreement with this post. I’ve heard similar comments & my response is: “suck it.” Fans waited 7 YEARS for this movie after a less than satisfactory series finale. We deserved it. It was the fans that paid for the movie to be made. So, damn right it was fan service. . This reaction was much more eloquent. ;)
Yeah, but what about the fans who are not fans of Logan and Veronica? What about the Piz and Veronica fans? What about the fans who DO ship LoVe but actually realise Veronica Mars is about *shock* VERONICA MARS and would have liked a bit more crime-solving and a fewer longing glances?
I’ve been a Veronica Mars fan for a long time, and the fact that my ship didn’t come in is the least of my complaints about this movie: I felt the overemphasis of the Logan/Veronica storyline damaged the overall integrity of the film as an effective thriller. And the entire Piz/Veronica/Logan triangle deflects attention away from the real conflict in Veronica’s life, which is her need to come to terms with her place in Neptune.
Not to mention the faintly ridiculous James Franco diversion - because WHY? - and the fact that some of the more interesting season regulars - Mac and Wallace and Weevil - were shoved aside to focus on a slightly crappy mystery that held no emotional resonance for anyone who doesn’t care about Logan?
THAT’S the fanservice. The fact that the strongest ship was served up as the be all and end all of the film, without considering how that might effect its dramatic credentials? This film was left to rise and fall on Jason’s Dohring’s chiselled abs, fine if you’re into that, but hey. I’m a Veronica Mars fan. Sorry if I had the audacity to expect a storyline that put Veronica Mars front and centre.
(None of this applies to the book, btw. Which stands up just fine for fans and nonfans alike.)
#crappy confession is crappy#this fandom is not a monolith#despite what LoVe fans seem to think#your ship impacted negatlvely on the dramatic quality of this movie#there#I said it#Veronica Mars
As a LoVe fan I disagree with you I didn’t feel the movie was all about them I felt it was messured you know, it’s 1:40 minutes (think about that).
Of course there’s a lot of LoVe scenes, Logan was the focus in the murder charges, was he expected to appear at the end and give her a medal for her work? He’s not an unknown client he is as much as you don’t like it part of this universe, one of the three most important characters by RT words and Veronica most important boyfriend, the person that she loves! so should had Rob ignore those facts and had Logan gone?
Fanservice, yeah maybe but for Rob because he’s the biggest fangirl ever and be sure if we have had a s4 back then, LoVe would had happened without our money being a factor.
Rob gave a lot. The story was well managed for the time he had. Stop seeing it from a non shipper point of view, I’ve done it and the movie as it is it’s good.
The book is better, probably but he didn’t have a limit in there, he had all the liberty and even there we didn’t have enough no Weevil, no Mac, no Wallace, not even Logan.
Important question: WHERE WERE JASON ABS? I just caught his pectorals!!! Dammit I miss that bit. Or was he naked all the movie cause that would explain a lot, we might have watch an entire different thing.
I’m really sorry some fans were dissatisfied with the movie. Really and truly sorry. Especially those that are long time fans and have been invested for almost ten years in the series.If it wasn’t for their dedication, I would never have gotten a movie. So, I get that it’s disappointing.
But the way the response to this confession is phrased makes it sound like the fact that I enjoyed the movie was solely because I ship Veronica and Logan. If I enjoyed the move it must be that I only cared about the romantic facets of it. If I site other reasons for my primary enjoyment of the film, I’m simply deluding myself, because those things weren’t worth celebrating. Right?
I’m sorry, but I loved the movie and it wasn’t because my number one wish for the movie was seeing Jason Dohring shirtless. The fact that I loved the movie doesn’t mean I care less about Veronica’s career path than who she bangs. The fact that I loved the movie doesn’t mean I’m less of a fan of who Veronica Mars is as a person. The fact that I loved the movie doesn’t mean I bought my ticket primarily wanting a resolution to a love triangle. Those assumptions aren’t true and are frankly a little condescending.
I’m a Veronica Mars fan, the character in all her complicated glory, and it’s rude to imply I’m not on the basis that I enjoyed the movie.
There was no intent to be rude. I’m glad people enjoyed the Veronica and Logan scenes. I didn’t even NOT enjoy them. (Though obviously I paid less attention than most since I thought we saw his abs. Sorry.)
What I said, what I maintain, is that because of the need to put the Veronica and Logan relationship front and centre in the film, they chose the weakest of three strong dramatic arcs that were presented in the film.
They could have explored Logan and Veronica’s relationship alongside any one of those mysteries - he’s in Neptune, after all - but the decision was taken to make the mystery ABOUT Logan. Which is then the thing that brings Veronica back to Neptune. Which is then the thing that makes her treat her live-in boyfriend shabbily. Which is then the decision that has her deciding - not even deciding! neglecting? - to take up the job in NY. I, personally, don’t feel I saw enough of Veronica in that decision making process. I didn’t see her discussing it with Keith in a meaningful way. I didn’t see her asking her friends if they think she’s making the right/wrong decision. I didn’t see her having any moral quandaries or questioning herself … all we got was “boring” and some lawyer jokes that showed she wasn’t 100% in sync with the idea of being a lawyer. And we get that hamhanded addiction metaphor shoved down our throats - she’s addicted to Logan, she’s addicted to being a PI.
Sure, we got the last scene. Hello Veronica, and all. She’s at her AA meeting, introducing herself. She’s an addict and she’s owning it. But the first time she brings up the addiction metaphor, it’s clearly Logan she’s talking about, people. Can she not see the difference between the two? Does she think about them in the same breath? (And sorry, but my mind is now running down all sorts of unpleasant paths as to the way addicts structure their lives to facilitate their addiction and it certainly doesn’t put the PI biz front and centre then.)
I don’t think any less of people who felt it was 150% enjoyable because their ship came in. But then - are they REALLY the best judges of whether or not the super-soft-focus moments when they first meet again, and in the car, and at the club, and outside the reunion, and in the beach house, and after Keith is hurt etc - are actually the best dramatic choices? You think so? You don’t think that PERHAPS a LoVe shipper might be a little bit .. biased on this front?
I don’t think fan service is a bad thing. It can be a GREAT thing, done well. I would have liked to see ALL the characters used a little more effectively to drive the plot, but like any Veronica Mars fan, I loved seeing them again. But shameless pandering to satisfy the most vocal set of shippers, that is then used as a shortcut for proper character development? I object. Sorry. ( It was pretty much what I expected when I donated, but I hoped against reason for RT to give me more.) That could have so easily been avoided by separating Logan out from the mystery/reason Veronica came back to Neptune/reason why Veronica left New York and/or Piz … but it wasn’t.
So the original confession - and more so the response I responded to - being flip and dismissive of the people who suggest this film is weaker because of the fanservice? I’m simply trying to point out WHY there are opinions like this, and the fact that the people who hold them ARE Veronica Mars fans as well.
(Doesn’t it get kind of annoying being told over and over again that you aren’t a real Veronica Mars fan?
because you don’t ship Logan and Veronica.)
Don’t you think if you don’t like the ship, you might be biased AGAINST those moments? You took a confession that doesn’t even mention shipping, and made it about shipping. Made it about anti-shipping, and created a line of you vs. them.
I didn’t notice any super soft focus at the club, or the reunion, or even really when they met at the airport (unpopular opinion but I actually thought the airport lighting was totally unflattering…) Was it the fact that she softened to him that bugged? Would it have been better that she accuse Logan? Would it have served the drama if she acted like nothing had changed between them since the pilot?
Veronica was never the person who sat down with her dad and discussed her options. Or asked her friends what she would do. She always acted unilaterally. Usually annoying or worrying or stepping over other people in the process. I wouldn’t have seen Veronica if she HAD decided to bring other people into the conversation.
And I saw plenty of hesitation, plenty of angsting. But she did it the Veronica way, which occasionally means focusing on other things so she doesn’t have to think about what’s bothering her. Like how the only way she won’t obsess about her dad is nailing Gia and Luke to the wall. Or focusing on the case instead of whether she wants to be someone who makes frivolous lawsuits go away.
It’s not the first time she’s thrown her ‘future’ away for a case. Remember when she skipped her Western Civ final, the one that could have ensured she got the Kane scholarship, to go back to Aaron’s trial?
How is this different, except that you can possibly ascribe some of her motivation to romantic inclinations? How did she behave any differently than she always had?
The first time the addict comparison is brought up, it is regarding “accepting the things you cannot change” - but to me it was about his case, not writing his name on her trapper keeper.
Yes, Logan pulled her back to Neptune.
I actually think that was the better dramatic option. full stop.
Because none of her other friends would have encapsulated the struggle between expectation and desire the way that Logan did. It wasn’t that Logan that made her stay. It was that for someone else, no one would have QUESTIONED her staying. If Wallace was in trouble and she’d blown into town for two weeks, Keith wouldn’t have argued. Piz wouldn’t have argued. Mac wouldn’t have made quips about his tendency to get charged with crime. Veronica herself wouldn’t have questioned her actions in the same way because “it’s WALLACE.” Same if Keith was in trouble.
But Logan brings up questions about her motivation. To herself. To her dad. To her friends. To everyone but him because he always got her, even when they were ticked at each other. Logan represents the self she ran away from.
(and she was already ‘treating Piz shabbily’ – or rather, less invested in the relationship than he was. Which is why she’d already avoided meeting people for a year using law school as an excuse.)
You get tired of being told you aren’t a fan, but I didn’t see that happening here. I’m not saying it’s never happened, just that it didn’t happen here. What I saw was you telling people they were so blinded by the L/V that they didn’t realize it weakened the story. In essence, telling them that THEY weren’t proper fans, because they weren’t focused on what you were focused on. Because they liked choices you didn’t.
No one else drew that line of division. You did.
Reblogging again- I agree. The original confession had nothing to do with shipping- it pretty clear addressed the critics, presumably who have taken the film to task for “caring too much about the fans of the show” and therefore not being accessible enough to new viewers. The line that got drawn between different viewers of the show indicated (in what was to me a blatantly offensive and condescending manner) that L/V shippers were inferior or less valid fans because of their shipper stance, when no one in the thread had said that anyone who doesn’t ship L/V has a less valid opinion. NOT being an L/V shipper doesn’t magically make one unbiased or give a superior opinion regarding the show/film- and nor does it make a viewer any less. It’s just a different opinion, a different bias. That’s all.
And the commentary on Jason is condescending and dismissive to Jason/Logan fans, and insulting to both Jason’s acting and Rob’s writing. Logan fans are invested in more than Jason’s abs.